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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Saltwater Saloon » Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:43 am

looks good
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:58 pm

Got a lot to do yet. Then I need to take the old header down and install a larger span. The soffit is screwed to the old header, so this will take some thinking...
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:52 pm

Not nearly as easy as it looks, but a new header is in. Now I can move on to the stand.

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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:26 pm

Just an update on the rock cycling. After I dosed with the sodium thiosulfate, the ammonia dropped to almost zero in 2 days. I'll keep adding a tad of ammonia until the rock is in the tank. Looks like chloramine was preventing the cycle.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Nevillekilcc » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:29 am

Its amazing how such a situation can occur from a chemical reaction in ammonia to pause a bacterial cycle! glad its going better!
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:52 am

Yeah, I didn't know you could make chloramine at home....
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby black hills tj » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:16 pm

Update? :D
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:01 pm

black hills tj wrote:Update? :D


Here is your update

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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:05 pm

Still need to do all the plumbing. I have almost no room to work behind the tank. Sure is nice to have room in my lower level again now that the tank is on the stand.
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Postby lil-reefer991 » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:23 pm

not to steal your thread but here is my chaos of closed loop along with drain and return.

plan it out. took me awhile to come up with how i was going to plumb mine.


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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:07 pm

That does look chaotic. But neat.

I think I have it in my head how will plumb mine. I might see if I can find a short length of 2 in flex PVC or spa flex to silence the pump. Anyone have any laying around?
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:36 pm

Macs hasnt had the 15 gallon barrels lately. This is what I was going to use for my surge tanks and one for ATO. This is where my build is stalling.
I think I'll get the closed loop plumbed soon at least and try to find some other containers for the surge buckets. One surge for each side. Each surge will have two barrels. One on top for the actual surge and the other will be at tank level that I hope will function as a large bubble trap.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:44 pm

Does anyone think the bubbles in a normal surge would not bother you? I'm getting tired of trying come up with a bubble free version. I haven't found a proven bubble free design no matter where I look, but have a concept in mind. I might just go with a standard Carlson type.

Bubbles or no bubbles. That is the question.
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Postby lil-reefer991 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:58 pm

No bubbles, as bubbles will stick to rocks and corals and you will hate it.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:59 pm

Adam, I like to be different so I might just love it! Seriously though, I did get it to work with only a few small bubbles, but the force is diminished. I threw some flake food in the tank to test the flow. The closed loop was moving a lot more water. I honestly think you need and actuated ball valve to be bubble free. I don't like the toilet flapper design.

I reverted to the regular Carlson type and I like it much better. More of a natural surge. Only bubbles at startup. I think I will go with this and use a valve to bypass the surge if/when I desire.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:21 pm

Here is the closed loop I plumbed last weekend. Hard to get a good pic. Image
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:27 pm

I used 3 feet of 2" spa flex. Wow this sequence pump is quiet now. I wasn't sure if it would do much, it was quiet already, but now its almost unnoticeable.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby cdness » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:35 am

Glad to hear you found some Spa Flex pipe. That stuff is amazing and is what I have from the back of my tank all the way down to the Reeflo Dart. I was going to say I have some extra, but you already sourced it so no need ;)
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:41 am

Got it by the foot at Ace. Lowes had it but not 2". Menards has whole rolls. Just an FYI for others.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby DIZZER » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:39 pm

Trying HARD not to be jealous, envious ect.... :mrgreen: Love the look of the tank there in the wall! Can't wait to see how you decide to finish off the face.
"Good things happen to those who wait" so I'm gonna continue to kick back, put my feet up and wait. Should I happen to get the urge to do otherwise I'll close my eyes and wait for the feeling to pass. :)
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:49 pm

I was thinking some sort of stone, tile, or marble. Not sure how that would work with access doors on top though. I wanted to close off the face, but its gonna be tough to work behind the tank. The stairs are right on top of the left side. No room at all. I have a feeling I will get very angry about working in cramped spaces. The living area will be nice though
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:02 pm

I have been waiting on my new DI filters for about a week and a half. I got them online from a local place in Tea (don't want to mention the name) He was nice about it, but this is just taking too long. He thought they had the "Super" max cap and silica busters but did not. Still waiting.... I'm ready to fill since its going to take days to make enough RO water.

I'm also redoing the concrete floor. It was oil painted. I've got it stripped and will be finishing the epoxy soon.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby nature boy » Sun May 05, 2013 10:29 pm

Did you ever figure out what you were doing for sand?
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby nature boy » Sun May 05, 2013 10:38 pm

nature boy wrote:Did you ever figure out what you were doing for sand?


Nevermind, I actually found the answer by looking in my own thread. You already told me. :oops:
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Mon May 06, 2013 11:06 am

Haha. I think I like the sand so far. It and the rock are in the tank and its 3/4 filled. Closed loop has tons of flow and it doesn't blow around. Not as course as I expected though.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Mon May 06, 2013 2:50 pm

I suppose I could post some pics of the progress
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Mon May 06, 2013 7:01 pm

Got busy at work. Here are the rest.
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No room behind the tank with the PVC store back there.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Mon May 06, 2013 7:02 pm

The barrel by the tank is the 40 gallon surge tower. Not sure if I'll put one on the alternate side or not.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby black hills tj » Mon May 06, 2013 7:13 pm

How much water dumps during the surge? I know you said its a 40g barrel, but I wasn't sure if that was the barrel size or the amount surging.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Mon May 06, 2013 7:20 pm

It will empty a good 90% of the 40 gallon barrel. It will be more water than 40 gallons since the dart will be filling the barrel at 3600 gph (minus head loss) as it is surging. I haven't calculated it yet, but we can safely say over 40 gallons. It's a 55 barrel cut off at the 40 gal line. I haven't tested it yet but it's close to the protype I built. Still making water as I finish plumbing.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Wed May 08, 2013 6:38 pm

Getting close. Water storage and mixing barrels are beginning their work. Image
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby mikembe » Wed May 08, 2013 6:40 pm

Bosch wrote:The barrel by the tank is the 40 gallon surge tower. Not sure if I'll put one on the alternate side or not.


You gotsta do it now. The idea is already in your head.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Wed May 08, 2013 6:58 pm

mikembe wrote:
Bosch wrote:The barrel by the tank is the 40 gallon surge tower. Not sure if I'll put one on the alternate side or not.


You gotsta do it now. The idea is already in your head.
Wow. You know me way too well. That's how this darn tank started in the first place.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Wed May 08, 2013 6:58 pm

Seriously though. There is alsmost zero room over there. If you saw it in person you would know what I mean.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Kerny » Wed May 08, 2013 8:43 pm

Bosch wrote:Seriously though. There is alsmost zero room over there. If you saw it in person you would know what I mean.

Invitation accepted! Would love to see it, wet or not.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby mikembe » Wed May 08, 2013 9:40 pm

Bosch wrote:Seriously though. There is alsmost zero room over there. If you saw it in person you would know what I mean.


I see what you mean. Now you just need to find a way to move the stairs - lol
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Re: Surge Video

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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Railcar79 » Tue May 21, 2013 1:02 am

lots of bubbles when it dumps, wont that trigger quite a bit of salt creep?
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Tue May 21, 2013 6:19 am

It's been running for a week and the salt creep is minimal.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby SoDak » Tue May 21, 2013 8:01 am

I didn't think the bubbles were all that bad. They seemed to dissipate pretty quickly and for a 40 gallon surge I would have guessed there would be a lot more. I like it, you did a good job.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Railcar79 » Tue May 21, 2013 8:22 am

It does look good.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Tue May 21, 2013 12:24 pm

There are a lot of bubbles at start up. More than the you can see. I could likely reduce them quite a bit with more plumbing and an air relief.

I kind of like them and they don't bother me, yet....
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Railcar79 » Tue May 21, 2013 3:55 pm

recreating wave action, I assume you would want the bubbles. Down in the keys the waves made the water as bubbly as a tap beer.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby spartman » Wed May 22, 2013 12:50 pm

Looks pretty good.

Doesnt seem to really affect the water level though, or is it because the surge is 40 gallons and the tank is 360 gallons?
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Wed May 22, 2013 1:18 pm

The water level in the tank is not effected, you are right. I built the over flow to handle the flow of the surge. The water only fluctuates in the Rubbermaid sump.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Tangdiver » Thu May 23, 2013 12:58 pm

Need to see this please text me....is this a Carlson Surge Design?

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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Thu May 23, 2013 7:19 pm

Yep, just the good ole Carslon surge. Hits every time. Looking to set one up? I think it could be better with more room and another that has opposing currents.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby DIZZER » Thu May 23, 2013 10:43 pm

Love the Video and the whole surge idea! You should do another vid with some streemers in the tank so we can see the full current effect on the tank.
"Good things happen to those who wait" so I'm gonna continue to kick back, put my feet up and wait. Should I happen to get the urge to do otherwise I'll close my eyes and wait for the feeling to pass. :)
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Fri May 24, 2013 1:22 pm

DIZZER wrote:Love the Video and the whole surge idea! You should do another vid with some streemers in the tank so we can see the full current effect on the tank.
I don't even know where I would get streamers... Maybe a golf ball on a string.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby spartman » Tue May 28, 2013 9:17 am

Just get a set of the bicycle handlebar streamers from walmart.
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