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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby nature boy » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:36 am

Bosch wrote:Woo Hoo! This skimmer is HUGE. Image


Did you ever get this skimmer going? If so what do you think?
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:17 pm

Yes. Got a running. Tank is too clean to give it a fair review. I've had it off for a while now since there is nothing to skim. No livestock or food. Just a small bit of ammonia added once and a while to maintain cycle.

So far, I think it will be a beast. I think the DC pump performs well, but I don't see that the variable speed will be of much value. I will have it on high all the time. The feed button is nice. Just hit the bottom and it turns off for 10 mins. Works well for cleaning the cup. The thing that is nice about the DC pump is the slow start up. Should really extend the life.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:13 pm

Just an update. Summer has finally come and the outdoors has me busy. Was out fishing on the river. Lake Sharpe was hot and we hammered the Walleye. Had to reseed the back yard from the darn dog and the dry summer last year. Tank is doing great and no leaks. Still need to refine the drain into the sump and get my 75 gal refugium up. I think once the fuge is running and I have my electrical finished, I will add fish and turn the lights on. Just maintaining cycle with ammonia at this point.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:43 pm

I need to figure out some covers for the sump and tank. I have way too much humidity in the house. My pipes are sweating and mold will be here soon if I don't fix this. I was thinking plexi glass or glass for the tank. I don't like how the plexiglass warps, but large sheets of glass on top makes me nervous when needing to move them around and clean them. Any opinions or other ideas? I think I will cover the sump with a high density foam sheet to stop the evaporation and keep the heat in.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Railcar79 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:33 pm

If you use the double thick you might be able to get away with it. Otherwise use a pane of lexan, with a crosscut brace piece glued to the top with weldon. take some doing to not have bubbles, but the brace will eliminate most the sag. something like this??
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Dakota Reef » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:29 pm

I was worried about humidity when I installed my tank. So I put in a very quiet bathroom exhaust fan that was rated for continuous use in the large closet that serves as my sump room. It seems to have worked very well for me. Only time I notice any humidity in the house is when the outdoor humidity is very high, the windows are shut and I'm not running either the furnace or AC.

Of course a lid would help too.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:03 pm

The cross brace might work well. Good idea.

Phil, I've thought about an exhaust fan too. Would be easy to install. I just wonder how much heat I would be blowing outside in the winter. The AC seemed to help. When its humid outside and no air or heat is on, I think thats the worst. The humidity is welcome, but I can't have it so high that the copper pipes are dripping. How much flow did you go with for your fan?
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Railcar79 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:40 pm

Looking back over your pics, I think I may have found one minor mistake in your build, the sump is supposed to add additional eater volume, not the plumbing. Looks like you got half your tank volume in plumbing!!
Jk looks good, would love to see it stocked
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:03 pm

Ha. I was wondering the other day how much volume is in the plumbing.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Railcar79 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:10 pm

I bet total volume you are in the neighborhood of 500-600 gal
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:34 pm

Yeah over 500 for sure. I'm really hoping I don't have to do much for water changes. Definitely not buying salt locally! No offense to local stores.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Railcar79 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:00 pm

So you won't be going to MC to pick up ready mix salt water??
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:41 pm

Need to get myself a tanker
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Railcar79 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:31 pm

I was wondering I see you used the US Composites resin on your tank, did you use the Polyester or the Epoxy? and with the black, I am assuming that was gel coat, how hard was it to buff that to shine? got a little fiber project of my own, and I am ordering everything from USC
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Dakota Reef » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:34 pm

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Phil, I've thought about an exhaust fan too. Would be easy to install. I just wonder how much heat I would be blowing outside in the winter. The AC seemed to help. When its humid outside and no air or heat is on, I think thats the worst. The humidity is welcome, but I can't have it so high that the copper pipes are dripping. How much flow did you go with for your fan?


I've had that fan running for over five years now and if I ever knew what the flow rate was I don't remember anymore. I just went to HD and picked out the quietest bathroom fan I could find that was rated for continuous use. Its on a switch so I can shut it off when its not needed. In the winter time the extra humidity in the house is actually beneficial.

Fortunately the sump room is located in a spot that allowed for easy installation and ducting outside.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Tangdiver » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:21 am

Looking great!
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:11 am

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Bosch wrote:
Phil, I've thought about an exhaust fan too. Would be easy to install. I just wonder how much heat I would be blowing outside in the winter. The AC seemed to help. When its humid outside and no air or heat is on, I think thats the worst. The humidity is welcome, but I can't have it so high that the copper pipes are dripping. How much flow did you go with for your fan?


I've had that fan running for over five years now and if I ever knew what the flow rate was I don't remember anymore. I just went to HD and picked out the quietest bathroom fan I could find that was rated for continuous use. Its on a switch so I can shut it off when its not needed. In the winter time the extra humidity in the house is actually beneficial.

Fortunately the sump room is located in a spot that allowed for easy installation and ducting outside.
I think I'll be doing the same. And I like the moisture in the winter too. May be able to just the the fan off.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:13 am

Railcar79 wrote:I was wondering I see you used the US Composites resin on your tank, did you use the Polyester or the Epoxy? and with the black, I am assuming that was gel coat, how hard was it to buff that to shine? got a little fiber project of my own, and I am ordering everything from USC

This was all epoxy. I didn't use gel coat for the black. I just mixed some pigment into the epoxy before I poured it. No buffing needed. Poured epoxy just comes out glossy! That's how they do bar tops and such.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby iced98lx » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:13 am

I am planning for (haven't yet purchased) a fan over my tank area. Word of caution, if you have a natural gas furnace, or water heater or both, and a relatively new home, check to make sure you're not causing a back draft situation. Most of the time the make up air is easily gotten, but back drafts are carbon monoxide and are obviously VERY serious.

I'm thinking about doing a plywood sump epoxied, good to know about the pigment, I'd just want white me thinks.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:29 am

Good tip. I already put in a 6 inch fresh air supply for my utility room years back. It's code these days when you finish your lower level. My furnace has a forced air exhaust, but my water heater does not.
I just painted my refugium white. Should help reflect a lot of light. I have heard of white epoxy yellowing. I think a slow hardener helps prevent this.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Railcar79 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:23 pm

if you do the sump with Polyester resin, you can gel coat it with white and it wont yellow.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:28 pm

Railcar79 wrote:if you do the sump with Polyester resin, you can gel coat it with white and it wont yellow.
True. Likely save a bunch of money too. You can't beat epoxy, but it doesn't really pay unless you go big. Or need a special design you can not make with glass/acrylic.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Railcar79 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:48 pm

Most boat hulls are done in polyester resin because it will flex better than epoxy, and it is way cheaper. 5 gal from USC Is only $125. I am getting 10 gal for my project at home

You know Bosch that tank would have looked even better if you would have laid it up with carbon fiber instead of the tinted epoxy. Would have looked absolutely amazing.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:02 pm

I'm pretty sure the polyester is stiffer and more brittle. It usually has less flex than the fiberglass, so it will break before the glass strands would. Still strong stuff though.
Carbon fiber would have put me over budget! Maybe some day when the tank needs a face lift.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Railcar79 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:07 pm

I am replacing stringers and deck in my boat going to need tons of glass to do that project.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:59 pm

I just got done putting in new carpet. Couple soft spots I fiberglassed over. Not sure how long I'll keep this boat so decided to not replace the deck. The fiberglass stiffened it right up! Need to find a couple door latches yet...
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby black hills tj » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:10 pm

Bosch wrote:I just got done putting in new carpet. Couple soft spots I fiberglassed over. Not sure how long I'll keep this boat so decided to not replace the deck. The fiberglass stiffened it right up! Need to find a couple door latches yet...


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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Railcar79 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:06 am

My deck was shot. The foam alone scaled out at 600 lbs. Almost ready to start glassing in stringers. Mine is a 20' Ebko with a 140 horse Merc inboard
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:22 pm

That's a ton of work.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Railcar79 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:09 pm

A whole lot less work than setting up my aquarium
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:04 am

Very true
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby nature boy » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:51 am

Any updates? Got a fish list yet? I think I am catching up again.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:15 am

I've been taking things pretty slow. I put in 6 green chromis a couple weeks ago. Got the 75 g refugium up and running. Have some lr rubble in there, no sand. Picked up some chaeto from Willy that is growing already.

Had a diatom outbreak, but it is starting to thin out already about a week after it started. Fuge was loaded with brown! It's down to about 30% of what it was. Skimmer has been filling up that huge cup half full in 24 hours. Think its the diatoms dieing away.

I need to finish the wall in front of the tank one of these days. I'm not going to go all out on it though. I'm getting burnt out of building things. Time to sit back and relax.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:40 pm

Well, I don't have much life yet. All I have are some copepods, very small snails, and some chaeto. I'd like to get some decent live rock for some life. At least to get some coraline started. All my rock was dry.

I was just gonna order 10 lbs of rubble from premium aquatics but shipping would more than the rock. Any suggestions?
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby lil-reefer991 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:55 pm

Bosch wrote:Well, I don't have much life yet. All I have are some copepods, very small snails, and some chaeto. I'd like to get some decent live rock for some life. At least to get some coraline started. All my rock was dry.

I was just gonna order 10 lbs of rubble from premium aquatics but shipping would more than the rock. Any suggestions?


I got 2 pieces of rock in my tank you can have.
2 smaller pieces but its a start. I had a ton in my old sump that I let dry out. You could of had all of that.


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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:10 pm

That's awesome. I'll pm you. Not sure if I have your number.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:01 pm

Thanks Adam. Does anyone one else have some rock they wouldnt mind selling? Would like a variety.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby black hills tj » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:07 am

I can spare a piece or two. no guarantees on.what may or may not be hiding in it tough.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:06 pm

Can anyone recommend a good magnesium test kit? I have never tested but have a feeling it is low.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby mikembe » Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:23 pm

I don't have anything to compare it to but I like the Red Sea magnesium pro kit. I test all my tanks with it once per month. I also use the Red Sea calcium test kit which is great. This brand seems to have pretty positive reviews and is pretty quick & easy to use.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Willy » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:20 pm

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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:02 pm

Have a green monti frag that seems to be losing its color. Water parameters are good. Temp was down to 76 or so but it has been consistent. How intense of lighting do they want? Have 2 250 radiums and 2 400 radiums. Need to be at the bottom?
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Dakota Reef » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:16 am

Montis can handle fairly high light although they don't need as much as most acros to be healthy. If you've just added more light or changed your bulbs it could be lighting related. If it really is getting too much light the change in your coral should be happening pretty quickly. If its a gradual change its likely something else.

Doubt the temp is causing the issue as long as its not jumping around. At times in the winter my tank runs 76-77 with no issues.

Assuming your lighting hasn't changed and your water chemistry parameters are staying good, first thing I'd check is if your tank is running too clean. You've got a very efficient skimmer and if your fish load is still fairly light, you could easily be stripping out all the nutrients in the water.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:14 am

I've added more light recently so I dropped the coral to the bottom. I think the low nutrients is the issue. Hit the nail on the head there. I think I'll try to feed more. I've been feeding a homemade frozen mix. Good mix of mussels, clams, shrimp, others I have forgotten about... Should I cut back on skimming... or any other suggestions?
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Dakota Reef » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:43 am

You could skim a little dryer, or if its not a hassle...... run your skimmer only at night for a while.

If you don't mind the cost you can add amino acids or other coral supplements, but I'd rather spend the money on more fish and let them increase the nutrient load the natural way.

One trick I use to gauge nutrient levels - things seem about right when I start getting a noticeable green algae film on my glass after about three days. If it takes longer for the algae film to develop or the film is whitish rather than green then I'm running on the lean side and I'll eventually see it in the corals. If the green film develops faster than three days then its time for a water change or to start skimming wetter.

I imagine everyone's tank would be slightly different, based on filtration equipment, macro algae, carbon dosing, etc., but you get the general idea.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:35 am

All good advice Phil. You know my tank as well as the owner! Last night I set the skimmer to skim drier. Removed the filter socks. Plan to just use when needed going forward. My water is obviously clean since I dont get green algae on the glass. Just a hint of white film. Need to trim the chaeto down too. I agree that more fish is a better option. I've waited on more fish due to low funds. Any suggestions for my next additions to the chromis?
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Railcar79 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:46 am

For a big tank, maybe queen angel, shoal tang, Naso. Of course Dr seuess soap fish, wrought iron butterfly and a narcosis angel would be nice too.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Dakota Reef » Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:14 am

Seems like you're in an ideal situation for adding more fish. A huge tank that's fully cycled with lots of swimming room.

Personally, I'd be very tempted to try a Moorish Idol in that tank, but that would probably mean making some sacrifices in corals and limiting your fish choices more than you'd like. A Moorish Idol just happens to be one of the last fish on my bucket list (along with a yellow tail tamarin wrasse). :roll: And I've (so far) had pretty good luck adding "risky" fish to my reef.

Whats the goal for your tank......mostly SPS corals, more soft coral dominated, or primarily a fish tank with some hardier corals?

I'd suggest making a complete stock list based on the type of tank you're keeping, then adding them over the course of several months. The list doesn't have to be exact but if you've got a basic plan it'll help keep you from making purchases you later regret. I wasted far more money than I'd like to admit just showing up at the fish store and buying what looked good that day.

If at all possible, use a separate tank for incoming fish so you can acclimate, observe and treat if necessary without risking the health of your whole display.

I'm sure if you throw out suggestions of a specific fish you'd like to add you'll get plenty of feedback from people here on the forum based on their experiences.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby Bosch » Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:47 pm

Skimmer pump went bad this weekend... I hope this is not typical for these new DC pumps. I have an email out to Coralvue but have not heard back as of today.
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Re: Bosch 360 Plywood Build

Postby hoover86 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:39 pm

Yikes. I just got a DC pump for my return. Hope it's just a fluke.
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